‘You’re moving closer to Russia and blame Russians for being close to NATO’
US State Department spokesperson Jen Psaki and Pentagon Press Secretary Rear Adm. John Kirby have been challenged over the Department of Defense’s claims that the US must “deal” with “modern and capable” Russian armed forces on NATO’s doorstep.
Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu expressed “grave concern” and “surprise” at a Wednesday speech made by US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel during the Association of the United States Army’s annual conference. Hagel declared that US armed forces “must deal with a revisionist Russia – with its modern and capable army – on NATO’s doorstep.”
Kirby was confronted by AP journalist Matt Lee over NATO expansion closer to the Russian borders at the State Department’s daily press briefing on Thursday. Here is their exchange:
Matt Lee, AP journalist: What did he [Chuck Hagel] mean by “revisionist Russia?”
John Kirby: Pentagon Press Secretary: I think what he was referring to there is that there appears to be in their intentions and their motives, a calling back to the “glory days of the Soviet Union”.
L: He also used the phrase that its army – he means Russian army is on NATO’s doorstep. Why is that? Is it not logical to look at this and say – the reason why Russia’s army is at NATO’s doorstep, is because NATO has expanded, rather than Russian expanding? In other words, NATO has moved closer to Russia rather than Russia moving closer to NATO.
K: I think that’s the way President [Vladimir] Putin probably looks at it – it is certainly not the way we look at it.
L: You don’t think that NATO has expanded eastward towards Russia?
K: NATO has expanded…
L: So the reason that the Russian army is at NATO’s doorstep is not the fault of the Russian army, not the Russian army that’s done it, it’s NATO that moved closer east.
K: It wasn’t NATO that was ordering tons of tactical battalions and army to the Ukraine border…
L: I am pretty sure that Ukraine is not a member of NATO, unless that’s changed…?
K: NATO is not an anti-Russia alliance; it is a security alliance….
L: For 50 years it was an anti-Soviet alliance. How can you not even see how the Russians perceive it as a threat, the fact that it keeps getting closer to their border.
K: I can tell that NATO is a defense alliance…
L: But it moved east. Correct?
K: It expanded but there is no reason to believe that the expansion is a hostile and threatening move.
L: You are moving closer to Russia and you’re blaming the Russians for being close to NATO.
K: We are blaming the Russians for violating the integral territory of Ukraine and destabilizing the security situation inside Europe.
L: Which is NOT in NATO…
Jen Psaki, spokesperson for the US Department of State: Other countries feel threatened, let’s move on!
In terms of new threats at NATO’s borders, Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu said on Friday that it is the US which has been “stubbornly approaching…closer to our doors.”
Relations between Russia and NATO have been tense since the alliance accused Russia of becoming involved in the Ukrainian conflict – a claim Russia has continuously and consistently denied.
Following Crimea’s accession to Russia in March, the US and Europe bombarded Moscow with sanctions. NATO also significantly increased its military presence near Russia’s borders, especially in Poland and the former Soviet Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, which have expressed concern at the potential for Russian incursions into their territories.